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Post by AusGre on Jul 19, 2015 22:17:02 GMT -5
Hello,
Just trying to assume my character's ties to the old elven empire and wondering if there was a general color pallet that the empire used or if it was based on the individual houses.
Thank you,
AusGre
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Post by greypawn on Jul 19, 2015 22:57:08 GMT -5
You might want to jump on irc and talk to ymd about it. Generally, colors identifying you with foreign or old allegiances are going to matter a lot less than those of the local brouhaha. Least, for now.
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Post by Fuzz on Jul 20, 2015 8:18:44 GMT -5
Another factor is that most of the Elven history is lost and forgotten entirely. Think of it less like the Roman Empire as seen by Victorian era people and closer to the ancient Mesopotamians or even earlier, in terms of the availability of knowledge. It's slightly better than what we know about cave men since there are ruins and a lot more to work with, obviously, but the view on the Elven Empire is about that distant... it's ancient history, before the Great Cataclysm, in a time that's half considered mythical to most people.
A comparison would be someone in modern times asking what the sigil of a random Babylonian house was and claiming to be a descendant... it's so far removed as to mostly no longer be relevant. A lot of that Elven history is about as realistic to people as reading the Epic of Gilgamesh and thinking it's factual.
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Post by fallensuns on Jul 20, 2015 9:42:48 GMT -5
Bright Pink and Neon Green. (Gosh, you guys really missed an opportunity here.)
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Post by eba on Jul 21, 2015 0:28:05 GMT -5
Well, the time scale is, quite frankly, a bit silly, especially the idea that elves 10s of thousands of years later aspire to rebuild an empire that long dead. It'd be like Italians trying to recreate Rome. That ship sailed in the 19th century  . Also if magic dates that long ago, there'd be no proof that magic ever existed. Or as much proof as we today have of magic. |
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Post by Fuzz on Jul 21, 2015 8:19:55 GMT -5
Well, the time scale is, quite frankly, a bit silly, especially the idea that elves 10s of thousands of years later aspire to rebuild an empire that long dead. It'd be like Italians trying to recreate Rome. That ship sailed in the 19th century . Also if magic dates that long ago, there'd be no proof that magic ever existed. Or as much proof as we today have of magic. This is exactly correct. The vast majority of people probably don't actually believe magick existed, or they think it was some scientific phenomena that were merely described as "magick" because because the Elves were too primitive to actually understand what they were doing. The Unified Academy of Natural Science and Philosophy in fact has a whole slew of scientists that specifically are interested in debunking a lot of the mythology and stories of magick, specifically for this reason. Besides, for all you guys know, Magick never really DID exist, and even the OOC info is... biased.  |
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Post by greypawn on Jul 21, 2015 8:47:20 GMT -5
Bright Pink and Neon Green. (Gosh, you guys really missed an opportunity here.) Those are the staff's colors. |
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Post by Rekov on Jul 26, 2015 1:59:11 GMT -5
So speaking of antiquan elves, would they generally eschew modern technology like muskets? Or is that not so big a concern for them.
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Post by greypawn on Jul 26, 2015 12:48:12 GMT -5
So speaking of antiquan elves, would they generally eschew modern technology like muskets? Or is that not so big a concern for them. I'm not sure if I'd say they full on reject muskets, but maybe they'd think far less of other elves who use it. Most of them are trying to strengthen and reunite the elves so they'll probably have all the fun issues you usually see within racial pride groups, including hypocrisies. What is and isn't acceptable for an Antiquan elf is something that can totally be discussed and debated through role play, in game. Anitquan make up only a small percentage of the elven population within the world and most players seem to be leaning towards playing the common elf, Nova Gente, if they know it or not. Which is fine. |
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Post by Fuzz on Jul 26, 2015 13:05:40 GMT -5
Plus a lot of Antiquan elves could be full of shit and posturing, since the Empire was so damn long ago and elves no longer live that long. That in itself could be an interesting plot hook.
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Post by greypawn on Jul 26, 2015 14:05:46 GMT -5
Well, the time scale is, quite frankly, a bit silly, especially the idea that elves 10s of thousands of years later aspire to rebuild an empire that long dead. It'd be like Italians trying to recreate Rome. That ship sailed in the 19th century . Also if magic dates that long ago, there'd be no proof that magic ever existed. Or as much proof as we today have of magic. Not sure why you find it silly. There are plenty of ancient cultural and religious views within modern society that people try to preserve. There was a world war based on uniting a racial supremacy group that used an ancient symbol to identify themselves with. I want to say Napoleon also compared himself to the Roman Empire. Hinduism is over 5000 years old and still kicking. Yada yada. If you compare our setting to the real world then we'd be past an industrial age and 10000 years ago we'd be still developing tools and discovering pottery. But we are playing in a fantasy world where we can fantasize about magical elves and dragons and shit, which is far more silly no? Try not to get stuck comparing everything to what is and isn't realistic. The current timeline gives us a shit ton of space to write in lore for players playing characters who are out and about discovering all sort of mysterious and ancient artifacts. |
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Post by eba on Jul 26, 2015 16:15:20 GMT -5
Well, the time scale is, quite frankly, a bit silly, especially the idea that elves 10s of thousands of years later aspire to rebuild an empire that long dead. It'd be like Italians trying to recreate Rome. That ship sailed in the 19th century . Also if magic dates that long ago, there'd be no proof that magic ever existed. Or as much proof as we today have of magic. Not sure why you find it silly. There are plenty of ancient cultural and religious views within modern society that people try to preserve. There was a world war based on uniting a racial supremacy group that used an ancient symbol to identify themselves with. I want to say Napoleon also compared himself to the Roman Empire. Hinduism is over 5000 years old and still kicking. Yada yada. If you compare our setting to the real world then we'd be past an industrial age and 10000 years ago we'd be still developing tools and discovering pottery. But we are playing in a fantasy world where we can fantasize about magical elves and dragons and shit, which is far more silly no? Try not to get stuck comparing everything to what is and isn't realistic. The current timeline gives us a shit ton of space to write in lore for players playing characters who are out and about discovering all sort of mysterious and ancient artifacts. I think you are missing the cultural shifts and just the SCALE of time 10 thousand years is. Hinduism of 5000 years ago bears only passing resemblance to hinduism today. Just like any denomination of modern christianity looks near nothing like the messianic cult it started out as. Rome only fell 550 years ago. It isn't even a thousand years, and no one at all is today looking to unify all the old roman provinces and peoples. There are no roman peoples. This would be like... a militant group in Iraq forming to rebuild ancient sumeria along with the priest kings and gods they worshiped. Ten Thousand Years is a long time. a LONG TIME. Things don't last that long. Ethno nationalism is par for the course, but centering your ethno nationalism on a society so long buried is... hard to fathom |
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Post by greypawn on Jul 26, 2015 17:35:34 GMT -5
If those Iraqis were elves, maybe they would.
Feel free to go in game and try figure out why its like that in character. We will be rolling out the education factions next.
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Post by sparky on Jul 26, 2015 18:56:11 GMT -5
Well, I suppose this needs to be said again- This is a fantasy game, Yes, there is realism, but the realism's there to juxtapose the fantastical things that happen, to make the fantastical... Well, fantastical. So, in that case, strange things like a radical group of elves based on something 10 000 years old isn't the most unbelievable thing. Besides, isn't there a good bit of space in between then and now in game that hasn't exactly been fully fleshed out yet? So there's tons of space to perhaps say "there were other groups like this before, and this is simply the newest iteration of groups with this line of thinking." For me, unless these old elves hadn't developed a system of writing, there'd probably be something, somewhere, that has something written down on it, and can be translated, much like we have with some ancient languages in the real world. So, for me, not that unrealistic. Not exactly the most probably thing in the world, but definitely not impossible.
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Post by eba on Jul 26, 2015 22:32:15 GMT -5
This schtick is my thing. I don't give any settings a pass for this, and most settings get it so very wrong (Warhammer had an empire that dissolved for 800 years and then reunited like it was no thing). It doesn't make the setting or the game bad, is just a bit of silliness that I point out.
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