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Post by mireigi on Jul 19, 2015 11:21:07 GMT -5
Someone said in another thread that the rate of skill xp is proportional to the item level. Wielding a higher level sword than your current skill increases the xp gain, while a lower one reduces it.
How does this work for Unarmed? It feels like it is progressing extremely slow compared to other skills.
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Post by Psionic-Entity on Jul 19, 2015 12:13:48 GMT -5
Unarmed is always treated as if you've got a weapon equal to your current unarmed skill level.
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Post by mireigi on Jul 19, 2015 12:21:15 GMT -5
Hmm, okay. Is the xp gain based on damage dealt, or just number of hits? Hitting a monster that reduces the damage to 0 seem to have very little effect on gaining skill xp, regardless of hitting frequently.
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Post by mireigi on Jul 23, 2015 8:00:44 GMT -5
Unarmed XP still seem to be coming very slowly.
With the recent update to fix solo xp, I had a fight with 12 rats, and one Cave Spider total, in the sewers leading to the spider lair. Not once did I gain any Unarmed XP. I switch to Two-handed against the spider to avoid dying (DR absorbs most of Unarmed damage) when it is at about half life. When it dies, I've gained 2 increases on the Two-handed XP bar towards the next level, but throughout it all I didn't gain any Unarmed XP at all.
Unarmed skill is 9.
Two-handed skill is 8, with the weapon at level 17.
Based on this brief experience, I can only assume that Weapon Skill XP is awarded accordingly to either how much damage you do per hit before DR, which would make sense given that a higher item level weapon nets you faster xp due to it dealing more damage; or only the damage dealt after DR is counted towards Weapon Skill XP.
Regardless, Unarmed sorely needs a buff. Not just the measly +1 damage buff from a set of gloves, which is pittyful considering the current DR, but preferably a huge increase in Skill XP per hit.
I am aware that Unarmed is supposed to be inferior to guns and actual weapons, but it still needs to be viable, which it currently isn't. Also, I assume Unarmed is important for bouncer/bodyguard type characters.
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Post by Fuzz on Jul 23, 2015 11:07:56 GMT -5
Unarmed XP still seem to be coming very slowly. With the recent update to fix solo xp, I had a fight with 12 rats, and one Cave Spider total, in the sewers leading to the spider lair. Not once did I gain any Unarmed XP. I switch to Two-handed against the spider to avoid dying (DR absorbs most of Unarmed damage) when it is at about half life. When it dies, I've gained 2 increases on the Two-handed XP bar towards the next level, but throughout it all I didn't gain any Unarmed XP at all. Unarmed skill is 9. Two-handed skill is 8, with the weapon at level 17. Based on this brief experience, I can only assume that Weapon Skill XP is awarded accordingly to either how much damage you do per hit before DR, which would make sense given that a higher item level weapon nets you faster xp due to it dealing more damage; or only the damage dealt after DR is counted towards Weapon Skill XP. Regardless, Unarmed sorely needs a buff. Not just the measly +1 damage buff from a set of gloves, which is pittyful considering the current DR, but preferably a huge increase in Skill XP per hit. I am aware that Unarmed is supposed to be inferior to guns and actual weapons, but it still needs to be viable, which it currently isn't. Also, I assume Unarmed is important for bouncer/bodyguard type characters. Unarmed isn't actually worse, necessarily... this is steampunk, and giant piston fists or huge metal gauntlets that electrocute people are totally a thing. The problem is these are all on the higher end of the tech level vs regular fists with gloves, whereas weapons would have a more gradual increase in power level with tech. I agree they need some tweaking, unarmed was actually the last addition (after I convinced OR how awesome it could be) so it's had the least ironing, plus NWN' s whole glove system is stupid. |
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Post by mireigi on Jul 23, 2015 13:01:25 GMT -5
I think the biggest issue is that for Unarmed, weapon level = skill level. That means you can't boost skill gains like you can with a sword that is above your skill level. I'm sure it gets better, but I can see a lot of people give up on it simply because it's so difficult to level compared to other skills.
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Post by kingofaquilonia on Jul 23, 2015 14:40:14 GMT -5
Axel can make brass knuckles.... at least on metal gloves, jus' sayin' >.>
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Post by mireigi on Jul 23, 2015 15:18:29 GMT -5
How much do they add, and what is the cost?
Don't know if Rhonin would use anything but Light Armor though.
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Post by YourMoveHolyMan on Jul 23, 2015 15:36:41 GMT -5
They add +1 damage, and +1 to block
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Post by mireigi on Jul 23, 2015 15:39:21 GMT -5
I guess it's something. Just doesn't seem like a whole lot, considering that even light armor mobs eat up most of the damage per hit regardless.
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Post by YourMoveHolyMan on Jul 23, 2015 16:37:01 GMT -5
Yeah, its pretty rough going right now. Also, circle kick is bugged out but I'll be posting some screenshots to my unarmed bug thread with the debug code it displayed
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Post by mireigi on Jul 23, 2015 17:32:45 GMT -5
Circle kick has always been buggy. No server I have been on have ever gotten it to work properly from what I know.
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Post by tildryn on Jul 23, 2015 17:36:12 GMT -5
Circle kick has always been buggy. No server I have been on have ever gotten it to work properly from what I know. Circle Kick on Engines is not the vanilla Circle Kick feat. |
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Post by mireigi on Jul 23, 2015 17:58:45 GMT -5
Circle kick has always been buggy. No server I have been on have ever gotten it to work properly from what I know. Circle Kick on Engines is not the vanilla Circle Kick feat. I hope not, because that one is awful!  |
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